Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ross Monroe Winter

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The result was no consensus‎. The Wordsmith^{Talk to me} 02:54, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ross Monroe Winter

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Fails to meet notability criteria for musicians and ensembles under [[1]]. Holding a (presumably section) position in a professional orchestra and holding a professorship do not on their own qualify, and if the Robert Downey, Jr. event qualifies, it could be placed on the film's Wikipedia page without need for this entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arcticwarp (talk • contribs) 00:54, November 17, 2023 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators, Bands and musicians, Florida, Iowa, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and Virginia. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 01:48, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 03:11, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Adding more legwork since nobody else has commented. Notability with respect to music would require one of 12 points in the linked list from my previous comment. 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12 would all be easy to find if satisfied. Point 6 requires being a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles. The first source in the article is titled "Virginia Symphony Welcomes New Musicians : Principal Timpani, Principal Trumpet and Core Violinists Announced", and in general a non-titled chair in an orchestra would not be considered "reasonably prominent." The Richmond Symphony link also just lists him as "violin" without any title. I only see "reasonably prominent" satisfied within the Wintergreen Festival Orchestra, which hasn't merited its own Wiki page. The only point someone could make an argument for here would be point 1's two independent sources, but I would argue the source from Mason News to be trivial, and the source about him tutoring Robert Downey, Jr could just be folded into a different article even if it doesn't qualify as a minor news story that wouldn't grant notability. I also checked Wikipedia's notability standards for academics[[2]], and I can't find any indication this subject satisfies them. --Arcticwarp (talk) 05:14, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. I'd like to hear from more experienced editors than the nominator who has been active a week and has 9 edits to their account.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:15, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP - I just added a current source from the University of Central Florida, which brings this violin professor's background bio up to date. A basic problem on this article is that the sourcing has been nine years out of date, while the professor himself has continued with his career. There's a lot about him on Google. — Maile (talk) 01:29, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:13, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I'm not seeing notability for PROF as being met, appears to be simply a working academic/musician. Oaktree b (talk) 14:36, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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